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It's attitudes like those you've presented here that play a big role in the withdrawal from society a lot of these people (myself included) face.

>If a man is not having sex with a woman.. its because he wants to have sex with men..

If I have a choice between attempting to deal with women who have no interest in me (or a vain interest) with potential destructive consequences to my quality of life, or choosing instead to just say "fuck it" and withdraw to my comfortable job and pornography, I'm going to (and have for years) pick the latter. That doesn't make me "gay", it makes me unwilling to take an inflated risk for little reward. A truly equal relationship is appealing to me, as it would be to others, but that is harder and harder to find.

But you keep doing you. Flaunt your alpha male superiority in our faces. We frankly don't care, because that's not a system we want to be part of if we can help it.



I'm 52, married w/ teenage kids so I personally don't have a horse in this "race".

From what I can tell from listening to my kids, girls seem to own their sexuality more than they did when I was a kid. That changes things but I'm not seeing the sort of changes in that article.

I'll admit that as I read that article the idea that "these guys have no game" crossed my mind but I really don't know, I'm not out there dating.

Do people really believe that article? Is fluxquanta's choice a common one? If so, that's a bummer. Porn is fine and all but the love of a partner is an entirely different thing.

I have to wonder if we're talking about a section of society that has a tough time interacting with women (and understandably tough time, women are complicated). Seems like the marriage rate would be going down if this article is correct. Anyone have stats on that? OK, I googled and read for a while and while marriage rates are going down, the sense I got was it was mostly about economics, women aren't that excited about marrying broke people. It appears like the rate amongst upper middle class people is pretty stable.


> I have to wonder if we're talking about a section of society that has a tough time interacting with women (and understandably tough time, women are complicated)

Women aren't complicated at all. Women are people, just like men. A relationship with a woman is no harder than one with a man, you just have to be honestly interested in the other person. The core of the problem is that a lot of men keep seeing (and presenting) women as alien, as not-real-people, as figures who only exist for sexual relationships and porn. If that's your attitude, then dealing with women who want to be treated as people is going to be hard.


> women who have no interest in me

You make it sound like all women are the same. They're not. Of course not all women are going to be interested in you, just like you're probably not interested in all women.

But if really no women want to have anything to do with you, maybe it's time to ask yourself why. How do you behave? Are you doing anything to put them off? Is there a chance you secretly think that as a man you should be entitled to sex with a woman? Some men do think like that, and of course they are wrong, and it's a terrible basis for a real relationship. There are also men who think it's normal to behave like an asshole, a creep or a jerk. It is not, of course.

It is possible to improve yourself and become a better person. It's something everybody should strive for.

Of course another issue could be that both men and women have become too picky for their own good. I know a guy who wants a girlfriend who is young and pretty, despite him not being all that young and pretty anymore. I also see plenty fo women complain that they can't find a man. If women can't find men and men can't find women, perhaps both are doing something wrong. (And as a possible culprit, I'd like to point to Hollywood, which has been poisoning our perception of what a romantic relationship looks like with totally unrealistic expectations.)

Also, have you tried dating sites? They have the advantage that they get the initial awkward "are you even in the market?" out of the way, and you get to focus more on real interests rather than just the superficial picture. (Although lots of men also behave really badly on dating sites, inundating women with impersonal messages and calling them names when they don't respond. Don't be like that.)


You're not "facing withdrawal", though. You are choosing to withdrawal due to what reads like an inability to handle day to day situations. I certainly don't think forgoing relationships implies anything about someone's sexuality, but your attitude certainly does come off as immature. We all deal with people having superficial interests (or disinterest) in us on a near daily basis. Platonic and otherwise. To say "fuck it, I'm out" for your own reasons is one thing, but to blame society/modern women or act like well adjusted people drove your hand is really juvenile.

It's not a matter of "alpha male superiority" - which, again, gives a very frightening look at your perspective.




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