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Matt's reasons:

  1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are
     disproportionately represented.

  2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement
     or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because
     many people simply cannot see the difference
     between the two.

  3. The community is full of ideologues to the point
     where the comments are most often just predictable
     talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum.

  4. The community is often snobbish and out of touch
     with how the other half lives.

  5. It's a time suck.

  6. It removes comments from where they should be,
     on the destination site.

  7. It reduces blogging time.
Food for thought... How can we improve?

Disclaimer: I'm a devotee of HN; It's home, but also I'm a devotee of critical thinking.



This tweet really expresses one fundamental problem of sites like this:

https://twitter.com/ziobrando/status/289635060758507521

"The bullshit asymmetry: the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."


There should be a corollary about Internet trolling, and why analog trolling never really scaled in the same way.


> 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented.

Allow downvotes for submissions.

> 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two.

Downvoter has to write a short explanation of the downvote. He's warned that admins can ban people who downvote just because they disagree.

> 5. It's a time suck.

Make the site faster, it's really slow.


I heard the Old Ones say that, before my time, there used to be a downvote button, but it went away because the tribalism led to, e.g., non-Apple stories being voted off the front page.

I rarely hit the upvote button because it feels broken to me without a downvote. Maybe a handful of articles a week. Flag maybe once or twice a week. Although I liberally use the upvote buttons in comments.


Make the site faster, it's really slow.

That doesn't avoid procrastinating. Besides, HN is fast, many linked sites are slow and bloated...


Several times a week I find HN takes 10-20 seconds to load.

(This leads to paranoia about slow-banning or hell-banning.)


Reason for the downvote?


> Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two

Does that mean that we better down-vote whenever we see a comment does not add value to the topic?


No, only comments with a sufficiently negative value should be downvoted.




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