And now we're onto gish galloping - word of advice that this tactic works best while speaking; when typing, lobbying a multitude of bullshit claims at a rapid pace doesn't have quite the same effect.
>Obesity is common in gaza
This maybe works as a claim if humans exist in non-linear time where 2020 and 2025 are perceived simultaneously. In fact, though, it's not a claim that any current data evinces.
>there are restaurants everywhere
And as we all know, a restaurant under rubble without sufficient access to ingredients or consistent utility supply is still operating at full capacity and its patrons don't need to have funds, able bodies, or the absence of the threat of random artillery strikes to avail themselves to their services.
>there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions
Adults have more developed organs and digestive systems than children and those pre-existing conditions are ones that would either have been managed with sufficient access to food or had resulted from prenatal nutritional deficiencies caused by insufficient access to food. Your previous point was solipsistic, this kind of immaterial distinction, though, is just cynical.
>there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza
Outside of a comment on Threads, I can't find any source for this. I wonder how many qualifiers you'll add to the ynetnews editorial you'll quote in support of this one.
>no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.
Per Israel and its material partners, yeah. Not so much per every internationally recognized human rights watchdog, aid organizations that aren't staffed by mercenaries and funded by the IDF and the US, or genocide scholars and other academics in related fields. It's unclear whether simple credulity or ideological priors are at play in accepting such a premise.
> Obesity is common
There are countless videos of obese people in Gaza today.
> Restaurats everywhere.
Google it! Not restaurants under rubble, but restaurants serving faties today. Here's a short list of open restaurants:
- Manaqish restaurant
- Ghazetna restaurant
- Hotdog restaurant
- Zaitouna cam restaurant
- Chef Hamada
- O2 restaurant
> No pictures of starving families.
Yes, of course adult bodies are more resilient, but in real famines (unlike the one in Gaza) adults die too. And the kids that look starving had preexisting conditions.
>there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza
A googleable claim.
>no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.
It's a factual matter, nobody debates it. You can't find a country that sent more aid to a belligerent on a per capita basis.
You should credit Mr. Fuld, plagiarizing hasbara seems a bit gauche.
>And the kids that look starving had preexisting conditions.
Caused by prenatal nutritional deficiencies that wouldn't have occurred if they weren't born under siege. It's pretty wild that Zionists are still engaging in this transparently cynical fuff.
>A googleable claim.
Yeah, this time it comes from an unsourced post on Threads. Not that it would matter, much like the charge of genocide, ICL doesn't require a particular threshold of deaths.
>real famines
I'll defer to the FAO, WFP, Oxfam, EU JRC and any number of actual authorities on what constitutes one of those.
> It's a factual matter, nobody debates it.
Nobody with a material interest in supporting Israeli expansionism, yeah.
Earlier cholantesh failed to accept the bedrocks of western jurisprudence. I would be happy to debate cholantesh if he first accepts:
(1) the western concept of presumed innocence;
(2) that while the video from Sde Teiman does show suspicious circumstances, the allegations must be tested in court;
(3) the accused are innocent until proven guilty;
(4) there is also certain potentially exculpatory evidence undermining the accusations (a hospital report that doesn't show rape; a grainy and edited video, where the alleged sex act cannot clearly be seen, among other things)
In the meantime, what I will say for other readers is that just as cholantesh ignores the foundations of western jurisprudence, cholantesh also ignores one of the foundational principles of the enlightenment, and the motto of the royal society: nullius in verba - take nobody's word for it. One doesn't make a case by appealing to authorities like the Church of England or agencies with three-letter acronyms, but thinks from first principles to generate good explanations. Various evidence-free circular theories, like "kids look starving due to prenatal nutritional deficiencies" sound incredibly stupid (really, 10 year olds? kids with cerebral palsy?), and classifying arguments as belonging to forbidden categories ("hasbara talking points") is a dollar store technique for throwing reason out the window.
>Obesity is common in gaza
This maybe works as a claim if humans exist in non-linear time where 2020 and 2025 are perceived simultaneously. In fact, though, it's not a claim that any current data evinces.
>there are restaurants everywhere
And as we all know, a restaurant under rubble without sufficient access to ingredients or consistent utility supply is still operating at full capacity and its patrons don't need to have funds, able bodies, or the absence of the threat of random artillery strikes to avail themselves to their services.
>there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions
Adults have more developed organs and digestive systems than children and those pre-existing conditions are ones that would either have been managed with sufficient access to food or had resulted from prenatal nutritional deficiencies caused by insufficient access to food. Your previous point was solipsistic, this kind of immaterial distinction, though, is just cynical.
>there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza
Outside of a comment on Threads, I can't find any source for this. I wonder how many qualifiers you'll add to the ynetnews editorial you'll quote in support of this one.
>no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.
Per Israel and its material partners, yeah. Not so much per every internationally recognized human rights watchdog, aid organizations that aren't staffed by mercenaries and funded by the IDF and the US, or genocide scholars and other academics in related fields. It's unclear whether simple credulity or ideological priors are at play in accepting such a premise.