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example: "We came across a camp with twenty braves."

It's an unusual usage. Fun Fact: "brave" when referring to male warriors is assumed to come from Spanish bravo which means "courageous, untamed, savage".

The association of courage and savagery comes from Spanish Renaissance culture and both meanings are meant simultaneously - that is, savages - those prone to violence -- were associated with courage and vice versa. Because English didn't have such an association, the word was repurposed to have two meanings and the second meaning fell into disuse after the 19th Century.

Now in the 21st century, unless you are reading a book written in the 1800s, when you hear "brave" you can pretty much assume it's an adjective with the primary usage.



> that is, savages - those prone to violence -- were associated with courage and vice versa. Because English didn't have such an association

The association of "savages" with honor and courage seems pretty universal. Like the vikings are often depicted with a strong sense of honor. Or the celtics by the romans, or the huns and mongols. Basically any tribal culture I can think of. While those living in cities / bigger civilizations are associated with corruption, deceit etc.

I suppose it's better to accept that both honor and deceit exist in all human beings, irrespective of group.


Yes, that's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes back to the original Latin




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