There are some of us who don't consider children a thing anybody has a "right" to have.

UN Declaration of Human Rights: Article 16 1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. [...]

Not all families have children. Some children are adopted.

I am grateful for the love and care my parents gave me, but I don't consider myself something that belongs to them as birth right.

It is my opinion people must be responsible of the children they breed.

Do natural rights fully apply to those convicted of serious felonies between day found guilty and the end of serving their sentence? I'm not saying they don't, but in the US one of the natural rights is explicitly the right to bear arms.

I know you're getting downvoted, but I must admit that I hadn't even considered that. She knew she'd likely go to jail for a pretty long time so if she wanted kids it _would_ actually be best if she had them beforehand.

I mean, it definitely also garners sympathy with the judge, but it'd be totally reasonable for her to do it just because she wanted kids.

Thanks for bringing up that perspective.

It just shows how bad of a person she is. She is having kids because _she_ wants to have them, even though she knows it will hard for them growing up. Putting herself before her kids even before they are born is pretty shitty parenting.

I agree with you, but I feel like almost all parents do the same thing.

I never asked for this shit and yet, I exist.

All parents have kids because they want to have them. You can't ask for consent from an unborn kid.

Are you implying that certain class of people (poor, ill, criminal, etc – who know their kids could have it hard) are not supposed to have kids?

If you can't take care of your kid then you shouldn't have a kid. I myself fall in this category. It's sad, but the world is not a fair place.

Hmm I've never heard anyone bring that up before. I didn't really understand the decision, but it does make sense.