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I find your opinion very shocking. You seem to picture Farage as a new Stalin or Hitler? I don't buy this. Farage is no extremist. Immigration is hurting Europe.

A country needs social cohesion to have a strong government. Mass-immigration without integration breaks down social cohesion. I see it happen in my country (The Netherlands). Immigration at the current scale is not sustainable. Many immigrants are from backwards societies and don't adapt. Even worse, our government expects us to adapt to the immigrants way of life (just this week in Germany some nudists were prohibited from walking nude, because an asylum centrum was being build nearby the nudist camp and they might take offence [0]).

The governments of countries try to keep tensions between immigrants under wraps, especially in asylum centra. Often the guards in these centra are muslims so share the same ideas as the majority of immigrants. Woman are sometimes forced into prostitution under watchful eyes of the guards [1]. Christian & Yezidi immigrants have to hide their religion or be threatened with violence [2][3]. This kind of stuff certainly is happening in The Netherlands and Germany. Yesterday in my hometown (Dordrecht) some Kurdish people celebrated their children graduated and put out the Dutch and Kurdish flag [4]. They were threatened by about 30 Turkish people to remove flag and windows were thrown in. In retaliation other people attacked the Turkish mosque in Dordrecht [5].

In another town, last week people from Jewish decent put the Jewish flag outside their home to celebrate graduation of their son. But they too were threatened by Moroccan people to remove the flag immediately [6].

More and more Jews are leaving Europe for Israel [7]. Europe is not save anymore for Jews as more and more muslim immigrants enter Europe. In The Netherlands every synagoge has permanent security and I imagine in many other European countries it's the same. In some way an ethnic cleansing of Jews in Europe is happening right now.

We're importing tribal warfare and values into Europe on a massive scale [8]. Apparently 1 in 4 Swedish woman will be raped and the main culprits are immigrants, by a very large amount [9].

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[0]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/row-over-refugee-...

[1]: http://awdnews.com/top-news/refugee-women-are-forced-to-beco...

[2]: http://www.dw.com/en/german-activists-decry-attacks-on-chris...

[3]: http://www.germanjoys.eu/2015/09/violent-sunni-fanatics-thre...

[4]: http://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/143347/Koerdische-familie-in-D...

[5]: http://nos.nl/artikel/2113139-mannen-bestormen-turkse-moskee...

[6]: http://regio.tpo.nl/2016/06/20/even-een-israelische-vlag-oph...

[7]: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jews-are-leav...

[8]: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391075/Why-Germany-...

[9]: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-w...



Please keep flamewar boilerplate and lists of ideological talking points of HN.


He's just listing news items, the interpretation part is small. Like with the misconduct of north African men in Munich in January this year [0], you can't argue that they are not due to immigration. But somehow you're not allowed to speak of it. Somehow, you have to be intelligent, open AND politically correct, that doesn't match. It will never lead to and honest dialog if some facts may be said aloud and others may not.

And I agree, Farage is just against the undemocratic, far from the people but not far from lobbyists, will make us eat American pesticides via ttip -EU that it is becoming. And what big bureaucratic institution will not become like that?

[0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/120...


Jumping into conversation with pre-existing lists of talking points is tedious and destroys real discourse. It's always predictable and ideologically driven; it has nothing to do with listening to what someone else has to say, considering it, and responding with something relevant. Those two processes may look similar on the surface but they're fundamentally incompatible, and the one we want here is thoughtful conversation.




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