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It seems that a project like this would require more cooperation -

https://aeon.co/essays/we-cooperate-to-survive-but-if-no-one...

But cooperation only occurs when the entire group is at risk, that isn’t the case currently.


> 'Mass exodus' from Cambodian scam compounds a 'humanitarian crisis'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-03/mass-exodus-from-camb...


Why aren’t the bosses identified via whatsapp?

I thought that’s why various western countries require chat applications to allow decryption of private messages.

These scam factories seem to be the perfect use case for all these anti-privacy regulations. Pity these operations are so profitable.


in these countries simcards and cell phones are not so strictly linked to personal identity documents, so even if the chats are decrypted it is not very helpful

What about location? Wasn’t there a thing about whatsapp encryption leaking gps location or something?

Really sad to see humans being able to be this nasty to each other. Technology being the enabler and enforcer, and also the means around detection.

These scams are really a good excuse to force whatsapp to do something about their technology. Afterall they patented it (probably) so their own it and they should do their best to ensure it’s not abused.


myanmar has had an ongoing civil war for decades so location is moot. there is no central authority that has the ability to deal with these things. the scam centres can get a lot of freedom just by supplying tinned food and petrol to whichever group they are closest to.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/4/hundreds-of-enslaved... one thing that is still happening is fishing fleets buy myanmar people and keep them as slaves on trawlers or in remote island prison camps

there are 100+ formal languages in Myanmar, at least 100 unique ethnic groups, and over 150 armed combat groups. and the ethnic diversity is very abrupt, people living 30km away from each other can be so different they can't communicate with each other at all. foreign governments have almost zero influence on the ground

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_armed_organisat...

because the languages are so complex and dialect driven, they are often impossible to translate and monitor too.


Aeon[1] just published a piece on the topic. It discusses the victim versus villain aspect.

Having read that, it seems that the only remedy would be a Chinese government intervention (as it seems to be Chinese criminal gangs that run these facilities). That intervention might be triggered by the international image lose for the government in being associated with these scams.

[1]: https://aeon.co/essays/inside-the-criminal-world-of-southeas...


In some large western cities, snow has a second meaning.

Taking that meaning and the VC money required for the inflationary marketing, is probably closer to reality.


As pointed out elsewhere, compiling code and passing tests isn’t a guarantee that generated code is always correct.

So even “non Chinese trained models” will get it wrong.


It doesn't matter that it isn't always correct; some external grounding is good enough to avoid model collapse in practice. Otherwise training coding agents with RL wouldn't work at all.

And how do you verify that external grounding?

What precisely do you mean by external grounding? Do you mean the laws of physics still apply?

I mean it in the sense that tokens that pass some external filter (even if that filter isn't perfect) are from a very different probability distribution than those that an LLM generates indiscriminately. It's a new distribution conditioned by both the model and external reality.

Model collapse happens in the case where you train your model indefinitely with its own output, leading to reinforcing the biases that were originally picked up by the model. By repeating this process but adding a "grounding" step, you avoid training repeatedly on the same distribution. Some biases may end up being reinforced still, but it's a very different setting. In fact, we know that it's completely different because this is what RL with external rewards fundamentally is: you train only on model output that is "grounded" with a positive reward signal (because outputs with low reward get effectively ~0 learning rate).


Oh interesting. I guess that means you need to deliberately select a grounding source with a different distribution. What sort of method would you use to compare distributions for this use case? Is there an equivalent to an F-test for high dimensional bit vectors?

Be scared, be very scared.

This leaving the group to die can also be observed in other species (cats and dogs do this too).

So this penguin knew its time was up and didn’t want to mess up the colony with its dead body.

We interpret the behaviour through our lenses and experiences.


Or they find a new feeding ground? Why does the universe bend to “badass penguins”?

The universe really does not care, in a “badass” way. Major league not caring.

It’s our interpretation that something is “badass” mainly because our species has pretty much negatively affected most parts of the environment.

It’s us that are “badass” and don’t “get it” when it comes to nature and the environment.

As someone else points out, there is no such thing as a nihilist penguin, it’s purely us putting a label on behaviour that we - once again - don’t understand.


The article itself seems to predate this:

> It’s a decade since the film officially premiered at the 2007 Toronto Film Festival, and it remains one of Herzog’s finest achievements.

So it would seem the article is nearly a decade old.


That debt clock looks like a monopoly board. Lets be honest, the world economy has become one massive game of monopoly with big tech and big oil being the banks.

What would the founding fathers, the ghosts of the French Revolution or Plato say to that? Nothing, they’re all dead.

We should be doing the changing, not the long dead past.


> What would the founding fathers, the ghosts of the French Revolution or Plato say to that? Nothing, they’re all dead.

Well, the people are dead. Calling a ghost itself "alive" or "dead" is a categorical error.


There are different kinds of Death, and Socrates story of resolve still greatly affects peoples ideas of free speech and due process within a just rule of law.

Have a great day. =3

"The Evolution of Cooperation" (Robert Axelrod)

https://ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/Breakthrough/book/pdfs/axel...


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